Anti-Kipper Meme: St. George Is an Immigrant

I found this meme against rising xenophobia, and, by implication, UKIP over at the SlatUKIP site. It follows a number of similar posters that have been put up around the country, showing individual immigrants, and the vital work they do. Like firemen, lifeboatmen, internet entrepreneurs and so on.

This one is of England’s very own patron saint, St. George.

St George Immigrant

Yup. St. George is an immigrant. His cult was brought to England and popularised by knights returning from the Crusades. Before then, England’s patron saint was St Edmund, an Anglo-Saxon king, who had been martyred by the invading Vikings.

The real St George was a Roman soldier from what is now Turkey, who was executed during the Roman persecution of Christianity for refusing to give up his Christian faith. Over time, the legend grew up around him that he was a knight, who rescued a damsel from the dragon.

Along with St George, the Crusades saw other influences from the Eastern Orthodox churches enter England and the Roman Catholic West. The churches built by the Knights Templars, the crusading order made notorious through later accusations of devil worship and works of pseudo-history like Holy Blood, Holy Grail, were built in a beehive shape, like those of the Syriac and Armenian churches.

And across the Channel in France, several of the new churches built in the 12th century were for Coptic Christians from Egypt, or were at least built according to their churches’ plans.

A few years ago, one of the Beeb’s programme on medieval history also showed that there were clues that some, at least, of the masons working on England’s cathedrals in the 12th century – I think it may have been York minister – were Arabs, due to Arab influences in the building’s design and possibly some remains of Arabic script found on some of the stones. Certainly there was a artisan recorded in London, as ‘Peter the Saracen’. It’s also about this time that the first images and written records of Black people in England appear. There used to be a section about Black people in England on the website of the National Archives, including a miniature picture of one from a 12th century manuscript.

And one of England’s medieval kings even received communion from a Syriac clergyman, Rabban Sauma, when he visited England in the 12th or 13th century.

Which all shows that people of Black and Asian descent have been around in England much longer than Nige and the other Kippers think.

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9 Responses to “Anti-Kipper Meme: St. George Is an Immigrant”

  1. sdbast Says:

    Reblogged this on sdbast.

  2. patricknelson750 Says:

    Reblogged this on patricknelson750 and commented:
    When the British Patron Saint was a Greek Palestinian in the Roman army how can any British patriot be racist?

  3. Pension60 Says:

    …The real St George was a Roman soldier from what is now Turkey, who was executed during the Roman persecution of Christianity for refusing to give up his Christian faith. …

    Never never wander off into other lands and talk about foreign history.

    St George is the patron saint of Greece.

    A Cappodocian Greek as the whole of present day Turkey was part of ancient Greece, occupied by a very ancient Greek civilisation.

    The Cappodocian Greeks were indeed occupied by the Roman Empire.

    The British under the Roman Empire were still British and called Romano British.

    St George is not an immigrant to England and never set foot here.

    Nor did St George set foot in Palestine.

    Palestine is where exactly?

    Throughout Roman history and long before into the days of the Egyptian kings (some of whom were Greek) it was Israel and Judea, with the Jews even fighting the ancient Greeks and The Egyptian god-king Ramses.

    Greeks have been in England as merchants long before the Romans. Were here during the Roman empire as traders and physicians. And still traded with the Saxons after the Roman Empire left Britian.

    You could say the Greeks have been here before the English, but not before the Celts.

    But it could be said that the English (Germanic tribes) were here before the Romans came, as well, in England.

    We had a Black Roman in charge of Britain’s Roman army.

    The Arab influence would have been stone work taken from Roman ruins and re-used in medieval churches, as such stonework was usually robbed out.

    And yet again.

    Who cares less about UKIP.

    UKIP gained 2 second hand sitting Tory MPs, who surprise surprise won in the voting area they had been in charge of.

    Farage might win one more seat.

    And there is a rumour of a further 4th ex Tory MP going UKIP.

    Four whole MPs. Wow.

    Against 40 potential Plaid Cymru and 59 all of Scotland for SNP, that would be a 99 MP powerful anti austerity block of MPs in the UK parliament.

    http://www.anastasia-england.me.uk

  4. patricknelson750 Says:

    Dear Pension60 you say…

    “Nor did St George set foot in Palestine…Palestine is where exactly?
    …Throughout Roman history and long before into the days of the Egyptian kings (some of whom were Greek) it was Israel and Judea”

    Palestine is an ancient name for that land which occurs in the Bible, to refer to it as Palestine is quite reasonable and the mother of St George was a Palestinian. You also say…

    “But it could be said that the English (Germanic tribes) were here before the Romans came, as well, in England.”

    This is also a very dodgy belief. The Romans came to Celtic Britain several centuries before the arrival of Germanic tribes here. The presence of non-Celtic, Germanic tribes in Britain before the arrival of the Romans is not a mainstream viewpoint.

  5. patricknelson750 Says:

    Pension 60 I suggest that you read this BBC article…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27048219

  6. patricknelson750 Says:

    Pension 60 I suggest that you read this article which documents the continuous broad use of the term Palestine for that land from 1150 BCE right through to the modern era.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_%22Palestine%22

  7. Norman Lowe Says:

    St. George was from Cappadocia not Syria, and would not have dressed like an 11th Century crusader or looked particular Anglo-Saxon in all fairness. He never set foot in England so how exactly was he an immigrant?

    As a secular Englishman I do not recognise Catholic saints, and especially not as unifying symbols of a National Day for England. I thought King Henry sorted all that nonsense out centuries ago?

    For me the 12th of July makes more sense. The day Athelstan was recognised as King of All England by the other Kings of Britain.

    We need to remove the papist filth from our national days. I don’t mind visitors, tourists and students and traders in our land and am happy to see people who integrate become citizens. Not sure about the sheer scale though – too many too soon or is that racist even when I already said I am ok with immigration? Because that’s what everyone seems to say when this comes up. You are either blindly in support of immigration or a racist. No middle ground, no controls, no processes….just open borders on an island nation.

    We have always had small numbers of visitors, traders and settlers as have all major nations. We have never had the scale of migration we have now though. Even the Saxons or Normans didn’t bring such numbers to Britain (the Saxons at the height probably accounted for 5% of the population before integration and assimilation plus a complete change of the language, law and legal system). Of course just saying that makes me a racist doesn’t it?

    Oh, and happy Athelstan Day…

  8. A Patriot Says:

    God help us,the Left are stupid twats,aren’t they?

    I can’t even be bothered to explain how every single thing written in this article is ridiculous,I’ll leave the discerning readers to mock it for what it is.

    • beastrabban Says:

      This sounds like you don’t have any real arguments to back up your case, and so have to rely on sneering and sarcasm.

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