Secular Talk: Clip of Maggie Thatcher Praising Mujahideen in 1981

This is another sharp reminder of how much of the present mess the world’s in can be directly traced back to the policies of Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. Despite the fact that both are great, molten gods against whom no word must be spoken amongst Conservatives over here and Republicans in the US. Kyle Kulinski begins the segment by showing a clip of Maggie Thatcher praising the mujahideen in Afghanistan in 1981, calling them freedom fighters, stating that they have the support of everyone who believes in freedom back in Britain, and promising another £2 million. In case viewers get confused, and believes that this is part of the kind of conspiracies Alex Jones regularly screams about on Infowars, that it’s all some kind of establishment plot with the Devil and UFO aliens to destroy and enslave the world, Kulinski supplies some context. This was a time when the USSR had invaded Afghanistan, and working on the assumption that ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’, America, Britain and the west started funding the militant Islamists to fight a proxy war.

Kulinski uses the clip to make the point that just as that error of judgement had disastrous consequences for decades after, so we’re making the same mistakes now. America and the west are still supporting hardline, intolerant Islam in the form of Saudi Arabia and Erdogan’s Turkey. Saudi Arabia is vehemently intolerant, and is responsible for the spread of the brutal Islamist ideology. And the US and the west are also supporting the Islamists, in the form of the al-Nusrah Front, which is another branch of al-Qaeda, in Syria. Why? Because Assad is allied with Iran, the West’s enemy, and also the Russians, who, despite the Fall of Communism, are still our enemy.

We haven’t learned anything. Kulinski points this out as a rejoinder for those right-wingers, who rant about the ‘regressive left’. No, it’s not the Left, who are making the same mistakes.

He also produces a few more embarrassing photos. One shows Ronald Reagan meeting members of the Mujahideen in the White House. The other is a newspaper article from 1983 praising Osama bin Laden as a religious warrior ‘on the road to peace’.

Kulinski responds to his critics, who have accused him of ignoring Islam as the source of this violence, by stating that he is very much aware that extremist, fundamentalist Islam is part of the problem. However, there are ways to counteract it, without bombing anyone. Like freezing the Islamists’ bank accounts, and not selling them arms. He illustrates this point with a newspaper headline about 90 per cent of people killed by drones being the wrong people.

Everything Kulinski says in this video is absolutely correct. But he could also have gone further. Reagan and the rest of his gang of New Cold War thugs at the time were told what would happen by the Russians. The Russian ambassador actually told one of Reagan’s team responsible for arming and funding the mujahideen that after they’d finished with the Russians, they’d come for the Americans. The Soviet ambassador was exactly right. This is precisely what happened with the attacks on the World Trade Centre, the Pentagon and the White House on 9/11. The Reagan’s hagiographers cannot say the old butcher wasn’t told.

And as Kulinski says, nothing’s changed in the meantime. The Tories are still following this murderous, stupid policy. The I newspaper today has reminded everyone that David Cameron is responsible for the current mess in Libya. But he was also one of those backing further airstrikes in Syria, though Private Eye has pointed out that he tended to send the planes in only at times when someone else, usually the Americans, had complained that Britain wasn’t doing enough.

And as Mike has pointed out in his critique of today’s report on Cameron’s legacy in Syria, that’s only one disaster for which he’s responsible. His whole administration was responsible for other persecution and suffering in Britain, amongst the poor, the disabled, the unemployed and the working class, who he has impoverished and exploited with welfare cuts and the imposition of highly exploitative working practices.

Which also follows a long Tory tradition, going all the way back to Maggie Thatcher and beyond.

It’s high time they were thrown out of power, and replaced with an administration genuinely determined to improve the lives of the unemployed, the sick and working people in Britain, and use peaceful means to stamp out the spread of murderous extremism abroad.

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16 Responses to “Secular Talk: Clip of Maggie Thatcher Praising Mujahideen in 1981”

  1. joanna Says:

    Hi Beast I don’t if you know, but there is a Labour debate on Sky news at 8pm tonight.
    I am hoping Jezza will wipe the floor with Smiffy!!!

  2. joanna Says:

    Wasn’t Reagan caught in a huge lie about selling or exchanging arms for hostages, which he swore he would never do? But because nobody gave him the full details, he was able to claim plausible deniability! I think it was Oliver North who pulled the fast one, I might be wrong.
    The point is they are all criminals, and they reap what they sow, only they are not the ones who will ever suffer the consequences!!As in they sow, we reap!!!

    • Beastrabban Says:

      You’re right there, too, Jo. It was the Iran hostages scandal, in which he gave arms to Iran in return for them using their influence with Hizbollah to release American hostages in Lebanon. And yes, he did claim plausible deniability. He claimed never to have known about it, and left Oliver North to be sent down for the crime. I think North called him a ‘stupid old buzzard’. Or words to that effect.

      That wasn’t the only foreign policy dirty trick Ronnie played. He also made a deal with the Contras in Nicaragua, in which the CIA supplied them with guns and money to be used against the Sandinistas, while the Contras were allowed to export drugs to American inner cities. It destroyed the career of the American journo who broke the news, and there have been a flurry of denials, but it seems to be true. And it nearly caused riots in several Black American communities, when they found out that the drugs that were destroying them were being supplied courtesy of the Republican administration.

      But Reagan began his administration with a dirty deal with Iran. This was over the American hostages taken during the Islamic Revolution in 1979. Carter was on the verge of having them released, but Reagan did a deal with the Iranian authorities to have them released after the American elections. Carter lost, as he appeared weak by not having had them released, and Ronnie got in.

      And nearly four decades of Reaganite administration has been the result, in one form or another.

      • joanna Says:

        All of that happened when I was a child, my life then was about surviving. The Iran hostage crisis was covered in an episode of “Corrupt Crimes” on “YourTV” it reminded me of what happened, but being so young, when it happened, I didn’t have opinions because I didn’t understand any of it. In 1979 I was eight and saw my friend killed, I was even in the room with her body, trying to wake her up, I thought she was just sleeping.

      • Beastrabban Says:

        I was also quite young when all this happened, Jo. I can remember seeing the reports of the Islamic Revolution in Iran on the news, but I didn’t really know what was going on or the reasons for the Revolution. We did the Islamic Revolution as part of the Islam course at College, but it was only through reading Lobster in the 1990s that I found out about the dirty tricks by Reagan. I remember rather more about the Contras, as I was at College at the time, and remember Reagan being hauled up before a congressional inquiry.

        I am so sorry about your friend’s death, Jo, and that you saw it happen. I am shocked and saddened by the horrors you’ve been through in your life. Big <> to you, and very best wishes.

  3. joanna Says:

    The horrors are over now, I am just waiting for the court case to go through, if it does.

    I have enrolled at college to do an English GCSE, and then see what the future brings.

    I am just very fortunate that I didn’t go down the criminal, drugs and excess alcohol road, I decide how I treat people and I have a good moral compass to work with. Even if things go horribly wrong, I can rise above it, Also forgiveness is a powerful thing, I felt amazing when I forgave my parents for what they did to me, even though they are both dead.

    Thank you Beastie for your kind words, you have made me feel better and helped me feel positive!!!

  4. joanna Says:

    Talking about the Labour debate, the question I would like to ask Jeremy is, how does it feel having a parrot as a debating partner?

  5. joanna Says:

    Why won’t anyone pick up on smiffy’s arrogance? Also the news programme had an ex wannabe from smiffy’s side, yet no one to defend Jeremy. Do we really need a loud, brash, aggressive and highly arrogant leader? Results can be got by a reasonable and thoughtful leader.

    I really do detest Smith and if he becomes leader I will never vote again, because as much as I don’t want the Tories in again, I cannot tolerate or vote for a Bully like him!!!

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  8. Michelle Says:

    Hi Beastie,

    The full Maggie T clip from the News at ten report on her visit to the Mujahedeen can be found here, at the border of Afghanistan she apparently stands at the edge of the ‘free’ world!!!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjNEqR6N6Gs

    Re Regan and US context I coincidentally was reading interesting comments by a ‘retired military lawyer Todd Pierce, who also works with Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity’, he talks about his ‘life experiences, US foreign policy and the state of affairs in the US today’: https://www.popularresistance.org/the-united-states-of-innocence/

    It isn’t a short read but its worth a read as he touches on many points you have brought up in the past.

    And much strength to you Joanna.

    • beastrabban Says:

      Thanks, Michelle. BTW, I had a look round Popular Resistance – it’s a great site, with a lot of impressive resources on how to organise protests and so on. Do you know if there’s a similar site for Britain? That would be really useful. Unfortunately, I’m not particularly net-savvy, so not as good as getting this kind of information like some people.

      • Michelle Says:

        Yes, it is a very good site, Wilf Mound from Greenpeace Bristol sent me one of their newsletters otherwise I may not have heard of Popular Resistance, but come to think of it and to the best of my knowledge we don’t have such a resource in the UK.

    • joanna Says:

      Thank you Michelle! :0)

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