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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/christianity-and-medieval-slavery/#comment-1178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“religious behaviors and beliefs exert a moderate deterrent effect on individuals’ criminal behavior”.


That&#039;s to concequences.

I don&#039;t like B

If A is true then B

Therefore A isn&#039;t true.

Summin like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“religious behaviors and beliefs exert a moderate deterrent effect on individuals’ criminal behavior”.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s to concequences.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like B</p>
<p>If A is true then B</p>
<p>Therefore A isn&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>Summin like that.</p>
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		<title>By: beastrabban</title>
		<link>http://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/christianity-and-medieval-slavery/#comment-1166</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beastrabban]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not at all, Rich. We&#039;re arguing from history and context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all, Rich. We&#8217;re arguing from history and context.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/christianity-and-medieval-slavery/#comment-1165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still arguing to concequences, folks?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still arguing to concequences, folks?</p>
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		<title>By: Feyd</title>
		<link>http://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/christianity-and-medieval-slavery/#comment-1150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Feyd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too right Ilion - they dont like it up em!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too right Ilion &#8211; they dont like it up em!</p>
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		<title>By: Ilíon</title>
		<link>http://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/christianity-and-medieval-slavery/#comment-1148</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ilíon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a silly video (that I became aware of a year ago) that seems to get its &quot;facts&quot; from this Paul study: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQi96Fd5o8Q&amp;NR&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Does Religion Make You a Better Person?&lt;/a&gt;

Now, of course, there is all sorts of faulty reasoning at play (in the video and in the Paul study).  It starts with the same sort of faulty reasoning that Vox Day demolished in &quot;The Irrational Atheist&quot; beginning on page 121.


I made the same point about this video that I&#039;ve made here (i.e. that what it shows is that “acceptance of evolution” combined with ‘atheism’ is a ticket to national/cultural suicide) and my point was as warmly received then as now.   &#039;Atheists&#039; never seem to like having their own &quot;logic&quot; used to arrive at the &quot;wrong&quot; conclusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a silly video (that I became aware of a year ago) that seems to get its &#8220;facts&#8221; from this Paul study: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQi96Fd5o8Q&amp;NR" rel="nofollow">Does Religion Make You a Better Person?</a></p>
<p>Now, of course, there is all sorts of faulty reasoning at play (in the video and in the Paul study).  It starts with the same sort of faulty reasoning that Vox Day demolished in &#8220;The Irrational Atheist&#8221; beginning on page 121.</p>
<p>I made the same point about this video that I&#8217;ve made here (i.e. that what it shows is that “acceptance of evolution” combined with ‘atheism’ is a ticket to national/cultural suicide) and my point was as warmly received then as now.   &#8216;Atheists&#8217; never seem to like having their own &#8220;logic&#8221; used to arrive at the &#8220;wrong&#8221; conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Feyd</title>
		<link>http://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/christianity-and-medieval-slavery/#comment-1147</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;The wikipedia article you cite does not support your statement. Amusingly, it says that strong belief in heaven and hell (dualism) seems to correlate to increased murder rates.  &lt;/b&gt;

My statement was :  The overwhelming &lt;b&gt;balance&lt;/b&gt; of peer reviewed literature found that religiosity correlates positively with higher ethical behaviour.


I didnt say unanimous consensus!  

Leaving aside the flawed Paul study, the one you cite  was the only dissenting study.  All the other studies you can get to via the wikki link find a beneficial effect from religion.  Here is the whole wikki extract with some of the relevant parts bolded.



In the scientific literature, the &lt;b&gt;degree of religiosity is generally found to be associated with higher ethical attitudes.&lt;/b&gt;[17] Although a recent study by Gregory S. Paul published in the Journal of Religion and Society argues for a positive correlation between the degree of public religiosity in a society and certain measures of dysfunction,[18] an analysis published later in the same journal contends that a number of methodological problems undermine any findings or conclusions to be taken from the research.[19] In a response [20] to the study by Paul, Gary F. Jensen builds on and refines Paul&#039;s study. His conclusion, after carrying out elaborate multivariate statistical studies, is that there is a correlation (and perhaps a causal relationship) of higher homicide rates, not with Christianity, but with dualism in Christianity, that is to say with the proportion of the population who believe the devil and hell exist. Excerpt: &quot;A multiple regression analysis reveals a complex relationship with some dimensions of religiosity encouraging homicide and other dimensions discouraging it.&quot; Meanwhile, other studies seem to show positive links in the relationship between religiosity and moral behavior[21] [22] [23] — for example, surveys suggesting a positive connection between faith and altruism.[24] Modern research in criminology also acknowledges an inverse relationship between religion and crime,[25] with many studies establishing this beneficial connection (though some claim it is a modest one).[26] Indeed, &lt;b&gt;a meta-analysis of 60 studies on religion and crime concluded, “religious behaviors and beliefs exert a moderate deterrent effect on individuals’ criminal behavior”.&lt;/b&gt;


PS  - good analyses there WT!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The wikipedia article you cite does not support your statement. Amusingly, it says that strong belief in heaven and hell (dualism) seems to correlate to increased murder rates.  </b></p>
<p>My statement was :  The overwhelming <b>balance</b> of peer reviewed literature found that religiosity correlates positively with higher ethical behaviour.</p>
<p>I didnt say unanimous consensus!  </p>
<p>Leaving aside the flawed Paul study, the one you cite  was the only dissenting study.  All the other studies you can get to via the wikki link find a beneficial effect from religion.  Here is the whole wikki extract with some of the relevant parts bolded.</p>
<p>In the scientific literature, the <b>degree of religiosity is generally found to be associated with higher ethical attitudes.</b>[17] Although a recent study by Gregory S. Paul published in the Journal of Religion and Society argues for a positive correlation between the degree of public religiosity in a society and certain measures of dysfunction,[18] an analysis published later in the same journal contends that a number of methodological problems undermine any findings or conclusions to be taken from the research.[19] In a response [20] to the study by Paul, Gary F. Jensen builds on and refines Paul&#8217;s study. His conclusion, after carrying out elaborate multivariate statistical studies, is that there is a correlation (and perhaps a causal relationship) of higher homicide rates, not with Christianity, but with dualism in Christianity, that is to say with the proportion of the population who believe the devil and hell exist. Excerpt: &#8220;A multiple regression analysis reveals a complex relationship with some dimensions of religiosity encouraging homicide and other dimensions discouraging it.&#8221; Meanwhile, other studies seem to show positive links in the relationship between religiosity and moral behavior[21] [22] [23] — for example, surveys suggesting a positive connection between faith and altruism.[24] Modern research in criminology also acknowledges an inverse relationship between religion and crime,[25] with many studies establishing this beneficial connection (though some claim it is a modest one).[26] Indeed, <b>a meta-analysis of 60 studies on religion and crime concluded, “religious behaviors and beliefs exert a moderate deterrent effect on individuals’ criminal behavior”.</b></p>
<p>PS  &#8211; good analyses there WT!</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samuel Skinner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the corralation and causation is low education/ income lead to high levels of religious belief. Higher levels of education lead to more atheists and both people trying to justify their wealth and those trying to find a purpose, which is why there are wealthy evangelicals. For the most part religion doesn&#039;t cause crime (except for religious crimes).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the corralation and causation is low education/ income lead to high levels of religious belief. Higher levels of education lead to more atheists and both people trying to justify their wealth and those trying to find a purpose, which is why there are wealthy evangelicals. For the most part religion doesn&#8217;t cause crime (except for religious crimes).</p>
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		<title>By: beastrabban</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comments on the Paul study, guys. I&#039;ve heard of this before, and also heard some very critical comments about it. Basically, it assumes that there is a connection between religion and high crime and STD rates in the US, but doesn&#039;t actually prove this. It&#039;s correlation, not causation. 

As for the immense difficulties some dogs suffer because of the way they&#039;ve been bred, I&#039;ve heard much the same myself. Bulldogs, for example, also have problems giving birth naturally. That, however, is the fault of artificial selection and a nasty breeding policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments on the Paul study, guys. I&#8217;ve heard of this before, and also heard some very critical comments about it. Basically, it assumes that there is a connection between religion and high crime and STD rates in the US, but doesn&#8217;t actually prove this. It&#8217;s correlation, not causation. </p>
<p>As for the immense difficulties some dogs suffer because of the way they&#8217;ve been bred, I&#8217;ve heard much the same myself. Bulldogs, for example, also have problems giving birth naturally. That, however, is the fault of artificial selection and a nasty breeding policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Wakefield Tolbert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wakefield Tolbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RICH--


That is the situation now with many breeds of dog.

-W]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RICH&#8211;</p>
<p>That is the situation now with many breeds of dog.</p>
<p>-W</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;No–I am not the final judge. But nature is not looking kindly on a situation here unless you really need to have pets made by forced breeding that have to yield hundreds a year in vet bills.&quot;

You&#039;ve done a great job of describing a future environment where these breeds might not do so well. Yay, go evolution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No–I am not the final judge. But nature is not looking kindly on a situation here unless you really need to have pets made by forced breeding that have to yield hundreds a year in vet bills.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve done a great job of describing a future environment where these breeds might not do so well. Yay, go evolution.</p>
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